Consensus — the new way for humanity
Interview with the Master –, through Benjamin Creme
by Patricia Pitchon
Discussion of world events as examples of why cooperation and consensus are the way of the future.
8 November 1989
TV Journalist: Maitreya’s associate has said that the UK Government
will shortly consider the idea of consulting the people of Northern Ireland about withdrawing troops and handing
back power to the province. Following remarks from the Northern Ireland Secretary, Mr Peter Brooke, about the
possibility of holding talks with Sinn Fein if they abandon their support of violence, are we seeing the beginning
of this process?
The Master: Yes. It is only the beginning, but it is a start.
TV J.: What are
the long-term implications for the judicial system in this country?
The Master: It is becoming more
obvious that a complete reconstruction of the British judicial system is necessary. This is also true for many
countries throughout the world.
Patricia Pitchon: Will this reconstruction in Britain come about in the
next few years?
The Master: Yes. The readjustment of social structures, through the principle of sharing
governing the economic system, will lead inevitably to new insights vis-à-vis the judiciary. It must become more
answerable to the will of the people in terms of democratic structure (that is, just as a minister is answerable to
At the moment there is too great a dichotomy between those who sit in the name of justice and
those who come before these non-elected members to answer to them, sometimes with their life (whether via the death
penalty or life imprisonment).
TV J.: It is reported that differences on Europe lie at the heart of the
split between Mrs Thatcher and her cabinet. What are the implications for this country if the Government does not
take its proper place in the developing institutions of the European Community? What are the implications for Mrs
Thatcher of her increasing isolation from her cabinet?
The Master: The UK (if the present trend
continues) will lose its opportunity of playing a full part in the European Community and it will suffer
accordingly. The recalcitrance of the present governmental attitudes in this country in implementing fully the
accords with Europe will produce a situation in which the UK will be seen as ‘the odd man out’ in Europe. This
will have dire consequences for the government.
As for Mrs Thatcher, she is becoming hedged in by her own
policies and lack of trust with and between her colleagues. She will retire when she finds herself unable to find a
way out of the trap which she has set for herself. The main danger for Mrs Thatcher continues to be the poll tax.
A poll tax revolt in different parts of the country has already begun ,for example in Glasgow. But there have also
been protests in places like Liverpool, Birmingham and elsewhere. Why, in your view, has the press not bothered to
The Master: The press considers the reaction too lukewarm to warrant their concern. This is
not a fact, but it is the attitude of the largely Conservative-dominated press. There is a groundswell of resistance
and revolt which has yet to manifest itself. When it does, the media will make it known.
TV J.: The UK
Government intends pressing ahead with privatization of water. Maitreya has said that you cannot “privatize the
vital elements of nature”. According to previous information received from Maitreya’s associate, if the
Government tries to carry out this policy “something spectacular will happen”. Is such an event imminent and
will we see the failure of the flotation of water shares?
The Master: No. However, the process will not
proceed as planned. Already the majority of British people, if asked, would vote against its implementation. The
privatization plan by the present government will prove to be its Trojan horse.
PP: What is the outlook
for Lebanon? Maitreya’s associate has said that there would be significant changes there. The Master: In the short
term, war. In the long term, peace. There will be a short, sharp, final attempt by the Christian militia (headed by
Aoun) to secure their hold on their area of Lebanon. It will not succeed. General Aoun is like Don Quixote, fighting
PP: Will Syria withdraw? The Master: Eventually, yes, but not until certain safeguards are in
force for their representatives in Lebanon.
PP: According to information previously received, President
Bush will not see out his term, in Maitreya’s view. Why?
The Master: A cloud of doubt surrounding his
previous terms in office weighs heavily on his shoulders. It remains to be seen how much of this is revealed, but in
any case his term of office will be shortened.
PP: In previous information received from Maitreya’s
associate, published in Share International, it was mentioned that there would be an earthquake in China. In effect,
there was one, but it was barely reported in the news. Why is this?
The Master: The San Francisco
earthquake took precedence in the news. Almost no information came from China. The West has looked on the Chinese
earthquake as some kind of retribution for the events of Tienanmen. There were actually two earthquakes in China.
One measured 6 and the other 6.7 on the Richter scale. Some 50,000 people were made homeless. Had this happened
anywhere else in the world it would have been a major world-wide event, calling for responses in aid. China did not
ask for international help because it has, to some degree, turned in on itself once again.
PP: How long
will this process of “turning in on itself” continue?
The Master: It could be months, or even up to two years. It depends on forces now emerging in
China between the military and the political groups. The military are extremely restive and wish to see greater
changes but until now they are staying their hand in the hope of normal constitutional reform.
Maitreya has pointed to a process of gradual convergence — observable in the political sphere — and this
increasingly visible pattern has been monitored with regard to the elections taking place around the world. Will
this trend continue?
The Master: Inevitably this pattern will be fulfilled. Consensus is the new way for
humanity. The old dogmatic positions of left and right will be increasingly eroded as men learn to compromise and
reach consensus. In general, in the case of elections, the expectation is that the difference between the parties
will be small. However, in situations where you have large numbers of impoverished workers or peasants and small
privileged groups competing, the swing can be very large. In the USA and Europe, where you have a large number of
people on the same economic level, you will have consensus.
PP: What is the outlook for Israel?
Master: In Israel a stalemate obtains at present. Paradoxically this is a positive factor in relation to the Arab
world because it prevents spontaneous action by minorities within the Israeli camp (extremists). You can see this as
the result of an “energetic vacuum” created in the Middle East by Maitreya. In the long term peace is inevitable
and much sought after by most of the factions involved, with few exceptions. The long-term hope for the Middle East
is a peaceful one.
PP: Is reunification in East Germany imminent?
The Master: In the short
term, no. In the long term, yes. There are still too many differences — politically, in living standards and in
economic strength — to justify complete union. There is too much distrust not only within the two Germanys but
also within their neighbours. In the meantime, a rapprochement and a congruence of viewpoints in dealing with the
new exodus will take place. What you see in the other East European countries will inevitably take place in all the
East European states. The last is probably Romania.
PP: If Gorbachev is to be replaced (as mentioned in
previously received information) will a retrenchment of the old guard follow?
The Master: No. Glasnost
will continue but at a steadier, more stable pace.
PP: What, in your view, is the biggest single event on
The Master: The forthcoming stock exchange crash, and when it does come it will bring the
present economic system to its knees. Then the true dialogue between the developed and the developing world will
begin. Japan is the fulcrum which will set the process of the crash in motion.
PP: Is this crash imminent?
Master: It has been expected for the last eight or nine months. It cannot be delayed much longer. The recent plunge
in the Dow-Jones index precipitated by Japanese withdrawal of support (in October 1989) is but a preliminary to the
major crash. This may be repeated once or twice before the final dénouement.
PP: Are governments aware of
the contents of Share International?
The Master: Governments, no. But individuals in government, yes.
There are representatives of several governments, North and South, East and West, who take very seriously the
pronouncements in Share International. They are treated very seriously indeed.
From the January 1990 issue of Share International